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February 17, 2010

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Will Ludlam

Great comments Brad. In addition to the incentives piece, I would add the people typically "want" that which is familiar. We haven’t done a very good job offering up choice. As a result people are more inclined to desire that which they know (and have a positive historical reference to draw from). Hollywood had romanticized suburbia while casting an urban experience as a compromise (filled with crime and violence).
Vancouver is a great example where the “want” has been impacted by choice. Great urban choices yield a change in behavior and in what people desire.

Matt Petryni

Brad, love your site as always. Be careful with Joel Kotkin there. He's good some solid points on a bunch of things, but on the suburbia issue he has a lot of problems.

It's mainly that he wants to argue from a somewhat libertarian direction--that these oppressive government planners and their authoritarian mixed-use regimes want to force Americans into an urbanism they don't want, or something--but consistently ignores that without the high taxes and government spending that financed the highways, streets, schools and other infrastructure that suburbia needs to be economical to the middle class, it wouldn't exist on the scale that it does. Without the firm hand of government intervention into the market through zoning codes, transportation infrastructure for cars, subsidized energy, higher income taxes on the rich to pay for it, and so on, suburbia is not likely to happen. So it's in this issue where his purported political philosophy and his purported urban philosophy collide.

I think he romanticizes suburbia because it is indeed Americans' stated preference (and probably his as well). While he is right that some planners just instinctively hate suburbia and prefer the order of urbanism, I think most are simply planning for an inevitable future of higher resource costs, increased price tags for infrastructure, and more challenging environmental problems. You can't really have a serious discussion about the efforts of urbanist planners while ignoring these changing realities. Unfortunately, that's all too often what Kotkin does.

Brad Meacham

I agree with you on the macro changes and the need to take those into account now. Kotkin spins a great yarn and is a fun speaker, but I wish his listeners would always take his message with some skepticism. Thanks for the comment!

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