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August 13, 2007

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vincent

The same happened with the SF I-580 overpass meltdown a couple months ago and the more recent I-35 Minneapolis bridge collapse. The anticipated massive gridlock did not materialize.

Maybe fear is the best way to keep people out of their cars.

brad

Yep. Here's what happened in CA: http://www.cascadiareport.com/cascadia_report/2007/04/how_the_bay_are.html

Seattle's viaduct is in worse shape than the I-35 bridge was. When it collapses we'll all adjust and realize there's no need to rebuild it.

Andrew

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the data that accompanies this situation. How many people relocated for the 19 day closure, how many aligned their summer vacations with the closure, how many are working remotely? In other words how many “alternative routes” are short-term and not actually long term solutions? It just begs for a pie chart…

Chong

like Andrew's question. It would be interesting to know how many of the changes are short-term. My personal thought is that more and more people will go back to driving and traffic will get much worse for I-5 and the other routes. People are creatures of habit and people will go back to their old ways and that means driving.

Fall sports for high schools start Monday and that means thousands of more cars go to and from practice and that is going to traffic. Life gets in the way and unless there is a lifestyle change, people are going to drive. Look at your test of the bus ride home from work. Almost 2 hours to take the bus 15 miles. So you drive. Eventually, the alternates will no longer be convenient and people will choose to sit in their cars to be able to have the lifestyle they want.

brad

No question, most of the changes are short-term. So how do we encourage making the lifestyle changes that will actually help improve mobility.

This is a big start: http://www.cascadiareport.com/cascadia_report/2007/08/tolling-money-f.html

chong

I'll say that new roads are not the solutions. The solution is better planning of communities that prevent the need to drive. This, in my opinion, is a combination of buses and a light rail/subway that goes to every major public space.

This is going to cost a lot of money and take a long time but we are at a crossroads and we need to get over the fact our taxes are going to go up and gas is going to get the crap taxed out of it.

If we start now, maybe in 50 years, we'll be able to not even own a car.

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